Wolfs Forum

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Je nachdem welcher Artikel das ist, steht dass nur für die schlechte Qualität oder es ist ein simpler Tippfehler, welcher war es denn?

@ MesCalinum

Das von Boitani hab ich schon. Schwer zu sagen wie repräsentativ das ist, vor allem weil andere Populationen scheinbar wesentlich erfolgreicher sind. Zudem sind 75 % Welpensterblichkeit eh normal.

Ich hab mich schon gefragt wann das mit den Galapgos-Inseln kommt.

Das Thema hat mit Japan wohl nicht viel zu tun.

Studien gibt es zumindest in deutscher oder englischer Sprache nicht. Ich bezweifle auch ob es dort gebietsfremde oder -ansässige Arten gibt die jetzt speziell durch die Hunde echten Schaden nehmen, da Wölfe einst über weite Teile der Inseln verbreitet waren. Und auch Hunde sind dort seitdem mind. hin und wieder in die Pampa gestreunt.

Inwiefern sie bei der Jagd oder Reproduktion erfolgreich sind, weis ich nicht aber Anpassungen müssen bereits stattgefunden haben. Alles was ich dazu habe, sind diese beiden Artikel (der zweite ist aber eher eine Hasstirade):

Wild answer to the deer problem

Waiting with ravens for hunter and hunted to die

Ansonsten wird das noch in dem Buch "Waiting for Wolves in Japan" angesprochen.

Und was das Thema, des Beutelwolfes angeht, so sage ich nur, selbst wenn, dass is garnichts, wegen einer Art (oder besser drei) sollte man nicht so ein Theather machen. Wobei die Verbindung nicht so klar ist wie oft behauptet. Für das Thema empfehle ich diesen Artikel, der fasst es ganz gut zusammen.

[MesCalinum]

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Ich bin wie Freddy Krüger ich komme immer wieder

Zu dem letzten:
Warum sollte das so schlimm gewesen sein? So was ist doch dauernd passiert und Teil der Evolution, bei den späteren Auswirkungen der Rotfüchse kann ich Bestürzung ja noch verstehen aber nicht beim Dingo, der Tasmanische Teufel starb in Australien erst viel später aus und das Pfuhlhuhn war schon vorher wie es aussieht selten. Und wer hat es deiner Meinung nach dann zu entscheiden? Und noch besser: Worauf sollte diese Entscheidung beruhen?

Zum ersten:
Lies erstmal das wo er als Asiatischer Wolf bezeichnet wird, was erst recht... naja, du kannst es dir wohl denken.

Zum zweiten:
Das was Bibikov zum Beispiel geschrieben hat. Er beobachtete Hundepopulationen die völlig abgeschnitten vom Menschen waren und bei denen die Ausrottungsaktionen auch nie 100 % erfolgreich waren und gemessen an der Härte der Wildnis, ist es unwahrscheinlich, dass die neuen alle aus dem Haustand des Menschen sind.
Dann wäre da noch das:

Dispersal behaviour of free-ranging dogs (Canis familiaris) in relation to age, sex, season and dispersal distance

FERAL DOGS von Jeffrey S. Green, Philip S. Gipson

Parental care in free-ranging dogs, Canis familiaris

Was man so zum Carolina Dog findet

Zum dritten:
Das war purer Sarkasmus. Das Thema wird so oft benutzt, dass es schon anfängt die Zähne zu verlieren. Vor allem weil es ein typisches "Worst-Case"-Szenario ist.

Zum vierten:
Da ist es wieder. Wie sollen völlig verwilderte Hunde die selber jagen müssen einheimische Arten ausrotten? Und wenn, würde das auch gegen eine Aussetzung von Wölfen sprechen. Und sind diese Hunde etwa nicht heimisch?

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Pech für dich. Ich dachte nämlich, dass dich das interessieren könnte:

Brave New World: the epistatic foundations of natives adapting to invaders

Wolves in national park becoming isolated, say biologists

Perhaps our relationship with wolves was once like this

Dr. Porters rebuttal to Wisconsin Wolf Plan's section on wolfdogs.
(der funktioniert nicht mehr, also hier der Artikel, die Smilies sind nicht von mir)

http://www.idir.net/~wolf2dog/porter1.htm
Dr. Porters rebuttal to Wisconsin Wolf Plan's section on wolfdogs.
by Dr. Stephanie Porter

Dear Dr. Wydeven
I was dismayed when I read the sections about wolf hybrids in your Wisconsin Wolf Management Plan Draft. I realize that it can be virtually impossible to get accurate information about wolf hybrids, so I hope that I can be of help in increasing the scientific integrity of your draft proposal. I have a Ph.D. in molecular genetics and have been following the wolf hybrid controversy for many years, gathering much scientific data on wolves, dogs and wolf hybrids. I hope you will take the time to read my comments regarding specific statements in the proposal Draft. In addition, I recently spent half a year on the State of Colorado Canine and Feline Hybrid Advisory Committee. The committee was charged with obtaining factual information on wolf hybrids through research and interviews with wolf and dog experts. I am sending a copy of this report which represents a consensus opinion of about 14 people with wildly divergent views on the subject of wolf hybrids. Because to the lay public the word "hybrid" connotes the sterile progeny of different species, I will refer to wolf hybrids as wolfdogs for the remainder of this letter.
"A wolf-dog hybrid is the offspring of the mating of a wolf (Canis lupus) with a domestic dog (Canis familiaris)"
This statement does not represent the most recent view on the relationship between wolves and dogs. The American Society of Mammalogists have reclassified dogs as a subspecies of Canis lupus (Canis lupus familiaris). Although this does not represent a consensus world view yet, it is the view of the majority of taxonomists in the United States (Wilson and Reeder 1993). In addition, molecular genetic evidence shows that wolves and dogs are the same species, in fact there is no way to distinguish a wolfXdog cross from a dog, even using DNA testing. Vila et. al. (1997) found that some dogs group in a separate evolutionary clade from wolves, however some dogs group along with wolves. A molecular genetics group in Japan has found contrary evidence that wolves and dogs do not even group into separate clades (Tsuda el. al. 1997). The summary of all of this information is that "Dogs are grey wolves, despite their diversity in size and proportion; the wide variation in their adult morphology probably results in simple changes in developmental rate and timing. (Wayne 1993). This also has important implications for your proposed regulation of wolfdog ownership. There is no way to legally distinguish a wolfdog from any other dog. Every court case against a wolfdog owner that has been based on establishing identity of the dog as a wolfdog mix has been won by the wolfdog owner (I can provide some of these references if you are interested). In addition, there are a number of dog breeds that have been fairly recently derived from the wolf (German Shepherd, Malamute, Tundra Shepherd, Czech Wolfdog, Sarloos Wolfhound, other rare breeds). How will you distinguish these and similar breeds from "wolf hybrids"?
"Normally these are bred in captivity because wild wolves rarely breed with dogs"
Although there is only a little evidence that wild wolves have bred with dogs in the United States, this statement is inaccurate. Wild wolves have bred with dogs in this country (Allen 1979, Hoagland 1993, Mech 1970, Murie 1944) and it is possible that the paucity of observed crossbreeding is due to the long-standing diminished wolf population here. In Italy there is a huge problem with free ranging dogs cross breeding with wild wolves (Boitani 1982). In fact there is so much crossbreeding that it is possible most wolves in Italy are in fact wolfXdog mixes (Boitani 1982). In other countries there is firm documentation of wolfXdog crosses occurring in the wild (Bibikov 1982, Mendelssohn 1982)
"The macho characteristics of the wolf/dog hybrids make them highly desirable to some people but also highly unpredictable"
This accusation of "unpredictability" is a scare tactic used by the media. I am surprised to see it here, in an official document from a biology department. Dogs, wolfdogs, or wolves are not unpredictable in behavior. Although I do not have references for this, I have spoken with a number of professional dog behaviorists that work with wolfdogs. They have seen no clear differences in behavior of wolfdogs from that of other dogs, and I have never heard a behaviorist suggest that a wolfdog is unpredictable. I know hundreds of wolfdog owners and have never once heard one call their animal "unpredictable". Many dog owners would call their animals unpredictable out of ignorance of dog behavior, this doesn't mean that they actually are unpredictable. The same holds true for wolfdogs, ignorance by owners should not be translated into known "facts".
You cite a reference Hope 1994. I could not find this reference in the Reference section. There are two very important statements that are based on this reference and I would like to look it up.
"The "predatory behaviors" of wild predators like the grey wolf have been lost in domestic dogs"
It is debatable whether the predatory behaviors of wolves have been exceedingly diminished in dogs. I have heard numerous opinions about this on both sides of the argument from wolf and dog behaviorists, but have not seen a scientific study published on this subject. A recent paper suggests that dogs that are more wolf-like in phenotype are also more wolf-like in behavior, to the extent that Siberian Huskies have every "wolf" behavior the researchers measured (Goodwin et. al. 1997).
It is absolutely NOT TRUE that dogs have lost predatory behaviors. There are a number medical articles describing the hunting and consumption of human beings by dogs (Borchelt et. al. 1983, Kneafsey and Condon 1995). Dogs are especially dangerous when they form packs, even a friendly family animal will become a predator when in a pack (Borchelt et. al. 1983). In addition feral and stray dogs revert to "wild" behaviors easily, including hunting behaviors (Boitani and Ciucci 1995). Finally there is no clear evidence that most dog (or wolfdog) attacks on people are motivated by predation. Most behaviorists believe these attacks are due to social miscues between humans (mostly children) and canines. Furthermore I have collected a large number of newspaper articles describing predation by dogs on domestic and wild animals. Dogs are clearly predators, some breeds more than others, and they are not different from wolfdogs in this regard.
"Attacks, maulings, dismemberments and deaths caused by wolf/dog hybrids have received national media attention. Four children are known to have been killed by hybrids between 1981 and 1988."
Although I agree with the fact that these attacks receive national attention, this statement is misleading. It implies that attacks on children are unique to wolfdogs. There are over 4.5 million dog bites per year alone in this country. Well over half a million of these are considered severe attacks (Voelker 1997)! Here are the only fatal attack statistics that have been published in peer-reviewed medical journals, and are therefore absolutely accurate (Sacks et. al. 1996, Sacks et. al. 1989, MMWR 1997). You will see that there are an average of 20 deaths due to dog attacks per year in the U.S. and that many other breeds are above wolfdogs on this list. Attacks, even fatalities, are certainly not unique to wolfdogs:

Breeds involved in dog bite-related fatalities 1979-1996:
Breed Total fatalities recorded
Pit Bull and crosses 70
Rottweiler and crosses 32
Shepherd and crosses 30
Husky and crosses 20
Malamute and crosses 15
Wolf hybrid 14
Chow and crosses 11
Doberman 8
Great Dane 6
St. Bernard 4
Akita 4
"Unfortunately for the animals and the reputation of wild wolves, many overwhelmed hybrid owners resort to "setting their wolf free" when they cannot find a suitable home for them."
Do you have any information proving that wolfdog owners are especially prone to this irresponsible behavior? In other words, do a higher percentage of wolfdog owners set their animals "free", than do dog owners? I have never seen any evidence to suggest this.
"There have been eleven cases of free-roaming wolf/dog hybrids in Wisconsin between 1989 and 1996"
This statement is only meaningful if you compare it with the number of cases of other types of dogs free-roaming in Wisconsin. If your state is anything like Colorado, the number of wolfdogs running at large is dwarfed by the number of other dog breeds running at large. Since there is no evidence that wolfdogs cause more of any types of damage than other dogs, how significant is this number of wolfdogs? In fact it seems that with over 400,000 wolfdogs in this country, 11 wolfdogs running free in Wisconsin over the course of 7 years is amazingly small.
"Wildlife biologists also worry about escaped or released wolf/dog hybrids interbreeding with wild wolves--diluting their gene pool"
First, since wolves and dogs are the same species and are identical in over 99.8% of their DNA sequences (Wayne 1993), the idea of genome pollution needs to be critically examined. Is this a real danger? The vast majority of the DNA is identical between wolves and dogs. Also, two wolf biologists that testified at the State of Colorado Canine and Feline Hybrid Advisory Committee meetings did not think that even if wild wolves bred with dogs or wolfdogs there would be noticeable damage to the wolf gene pool (Dr. Ray Pierotti, University of Kansas and Dr. Erich Klinghammer, Wolf Park). Their reasoning is that even in the few cases where crossbreeding might occur, any traits that are detrimental to survival will be selected against.
In addition there is the question of whether wolfdogs have a greater chance of breeding with wild wolves than free ranging dogs. There is field observation data that suggests even a strange pure wolf will not be tolerated in the territory of a pack (Mech 1970), much less a dog or wolfdog. I have seen no evidence that even hints that wolfdogs have a higher chance of crossbreeding with wild wolves than dogs, particularly northern breed dogs or other large dogs. If you have such evidence please include it in this section of your recommendations since it is highly relevant.
"Twenty-five other states presently regulate the possession of these animals..."
The Colorado assistant state veterinarian (Dr. Keith Roehr) did an informal phone survey of several states that regulate wolfdogs during the progression of the advisory committee meetings. He spoke with the actual administering department in each case. In virtually every state, the administration of these regulations was problematic. Essentially the regulations are impossible to administer due to identification problems and many states are considering retracting their regulations. In fact, in 1991 Tennessee overturned their law prohibiting wolfdog ownership and recently Oregon has de-regulated the wolfdog, both due to the problems in administering the regulations fairly. When breed-specific regulations are challenged in court, they are often found to be unconstitutional (Burt 1997, Marmer 1984)
"Possession of wolf/dog hybrids also needs to be regulated due to their potential impact on wild, free-ranging wolves"
Again, I believe the critical issue in regulating something, is being able to unambiguously identify it. Since there is no genetic test for "wolfdog" and since every identification case brought against wolfdog owners has been won by the owner, one is left with the question of how to practically regulate these animals. The reality is that if regulations are imposed on the public, the wolfdog owners will go underground. Since identification is problematic prosecution of owners will result in expensive court cases for the state. Additionally, forcing wolfdog owners underground will exacerbate potential problems as owners will have less access to veterinary care and training advice. Also, who will be administering the regulations? What will happen when an animal gets misidentified? A recent misidentification of a husky as a wolfdog in Virginia resulted in an expensive settlement in favor of the dog's owners.
In every one of the issues discussed above the central question is, is a wolfdog more likely to commit the inappropriate behavior than a dog. Since there has never been any scientific evidence published or presented that suggests wolfdogs are more problematic in any of the areas above, one wonders why they are being singled out in this draft report. Dogs are dangerous, they kill people, they kill livestock, they kill wild animals, they cross breed with wild wolves, and they ARE wolves genetically. They are not so far from their wild ancestors as your report suggests and I hope you will reconsider your recommendation to treat wolfdogs as separate from other dogs in your final report. Please feel free to contact me if you have further questions or require more documentation on any of these subjects.
Thank you,
Dr. Stephanie Porter
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University of Michigan Press. Ann Arbor, MI
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Boitani, L and Ciucci, P. 1995 Comparative social ecology of feral dogs
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Honeycutt, R. L., Crandall, K. A., Lundeberg, J, and Wayne, R. K. 1997.
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http://www.animalsandsociety.org/assets/library/642_thecunningdingo.pdf

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Man ich war ja echt schon ewig nich mehr hier drin.

Nagut, ich hab da einen guten Artikel, leider kann ich nicht garantieren ob ihr ihn irgendwo noch ganz findet:

Genome-wide SNP and haplotype analyses reveal a rich history underlying dog domestication.

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Das Video dürfte schonmal einen kurzen Einblick in die folgenden Artikel geben:

Moscow's metro - A stray dog's life

Etwas genauer sind die folgenden Artikel:

Moscow’s stray dogs

Stray Dogs Master Complex Moscow Subway System

In Moscow's Metro, a Stray Dog's Life Is Pretty Cushy, and Zoologists Notice

Wild dogs take Chewbilee

Und für die, welche noch etwas mehr mögen, Flickr hat mehrere Bilder

Stray dog Moscow

Wild dog Moscow

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Ok, mal wieder was neues, wenn der Artikel auch nicht mehr ganz up to date ist.

Wolf at Our Door

Humans and Coyotes in Suburbia - Can Experience Lead to Sustainable Coexistence

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Ok, den hab ich beim stöbern nach Artikeln zum Beutelwolf gefunden:

A Test of the Multi-Predator Hypothesis: Rapid Loss of Antipredator Behavior after 130 years of Isolation

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Ich hab nich viel Zeit aber dass hier solltet ihr doch sehen:

Hybridisation between the dingo, Canis lupus dingo, and the domestic dog, Canis lupus familiaris, in Victoria: a critical review